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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Dec 10, 2010 8:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

There has really been very little fiction written about the GD scene that I have come across ( and I managed a used Bookstore for years in Phoenix). I have been putting together ideas for a novel based on my years touring to Dead Shows. I saw over 100 GD shows in the 80's and about 30 JGB and have a degree in Journalism from SUNY (don't hold that against me!). Why not try, I say to myself. If not me, then who, I say to myself, summoning courage knowing rejection awaits. I really want to read a well written story about life on the road, and have basically decided to write it myself. Just wondering if anyone would read it, that's all...

Oh, and this too ... http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-07-05.sbd.miller.109839.flac16 ... One of my favorite venues and a nice long easy afternoon of dancing and swaying...

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Poster: user unknown Date: Dec 11, 2010 7:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

"I'd love to, Dad, if I can find the time."

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Poster: K-Wave Date: Dec 10, 2010 9:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

Are you aware of "Tiger in a Trance?" It sounds to me it's like the sort of thing you're talking about, but maybe I misread you.

Not to dissuade you from your undertaking, of course.

I've got it hear somewhere in the mess that is my collection. Never read it but it was reasonably well reviewed, IIRC, by mainstream, non-Dead critics.





http://www.amazon.com/Tiger-Trance-Novel-Max-Ludington/dp/0385507046

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Poster: shakeitupnow Date: Dec 11, 2010 6:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

tiger in a trance uses the dead as a backdrop -- the story is really about a guy's descent into drug addiction. my apologies to the author, but it is not a good book - looks like it lacked an editor. and it needed much more than that.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Dec 11, 2010 4:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

Go for it! I would certainly read it. I've wondered why there isn't more GD-related fiction. You sound like you are perfectly placed and ready to do it.

One does come across the occasional GD reference in fiction. In a recent Fay Weldon novel, a character describes her ex-husband as "like a latter day Jerry Garcia; hairy and benign."

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 11, 2010 5:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

Rob (or I) could do much better than that...in fact, whenever a couplet conjures images that are contrary, you know it's failed ("he must have been bald and malignant when young").

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Dec 11, 2010 5:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

wow you're a tough critic ...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 11, 2010 6:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

Was half kidding; did occur to me that the author was clearly not "in the know" about Jerry as we all are...or at least, I don't think the Forum Folk would term him 'benign' (whatever he was, it wasn't without 'effect', right?).

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Dec 12, 2010 8:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

Don't worry, I'm just joking, too, but while I'm not arguing it was a brilliant piece of characterization, I knew what the author meant in evoking "like Jerry Garcia, benign and hairy."

The meaning of "benign" is not so much "without effect" (unless we are talking about tumors), but in terms of personality, it means something closer to "harmless." Mild-mannered - big and gruff looking, but really a teddy bear. Which, to my understanding, is pretty fair in terms of Jerry's personality. Not a characterization of his music, of course, but of his personal demeanor.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 12, 2010 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

Well, that's exactly what I don't think was the case.

Was his treatment of his kids "benign neglect"? I guess I come down pretty hard on him...I think, like us all, he had many faults, but on the parental front, he failed. That's my usual judgmental statement, but you know me well enough to know that's how I operate. ;)

So, I think the myth is that he was benign, but for many around him, his lack of balls to make decisions (the "biz stuff" we've spoken of, etc), his neglect of his wives and kids, blah, blah, blah--make him far from benign (IMnotsoHO), right?

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Poster: bookends Date: Dec 13, 2010 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

Yes, I would read it. I would suggest that your focus (and your pitch to an agent) should be about a taper - it justifies the character doing the whole '82 tour, puts him/her IN the show, and meeting an wide strata of supporting characters, and not just another coming of age/drug/travel nostalgia-fest. Find the tension, and you'll find a publisher.

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Poster: jackstraw86 Date: Dec 12, 2010 1:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

I'd read it as well. What you say about '82 is exactly how I felt. It was the cusp of the change that led to the decline in the scene. I'd read it just because that time holds a special place in my heart. But I'd also LOVE to read the same sort of fiction as told by those there back in the late 60s hey-day. Plenty out there of that era but I don't know how much is there as it relates directly to the Dead scene.

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Poster: dethrow55 Date: Dec 12, 2010 1:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

hello yes i would.also a dead head.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Dec 12, 2010 2:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

Welcome aboard .

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Dec 10, 2010 8:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

Well, there is a book called something like Hallucinated Confessions of a Teenage Deadhead. I haven't read it, so can't say yay or nay. I think Micah said he hated it. But I guess it's a memoir -- though memoirs should probably be shelved with fiction much of the time, anyway ...

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Poster: shakeitupnow Date: Dec 11, 2010 6:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

I'd read your book. Best of luck to you -- I've always found it rather difficult to put the experience into words -- too many intangibles.

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Poster: BataviaSparky Date: Dec 11, 2010 9:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

Sure, I'd read it.


"We gotta get this book in libraries, get people reading it!" - the guy in Sideways

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Poster: enigma lightwalker Date: Dec 11, 2010 10:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

I'd read it, Capt'n. And I'm certain there are millions of others who would...I'd probably buy some copies for gifts, especially if there were great photos.

To paraphrase Rilke, >>> There is only one reason to write, because you must.

If the work is in your heart, spirit, and mind, then let it flow...flowing.......

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Dec 12, 2010 2:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

Ah, a Rilke quote . Welcome aboard elw .

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Dec 11, 2010 12:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

Never say 'no' to the urge to write. Worst that can happen is the book doesn't get picked up--you can always try self-publishing it instead, or just enjoy the catharsis of getting your thoughts down on paper.

I could see each chapter starting with a quote from a Dead song;* after all, Hunter was the most underrated member of that group, and the Dead's lyrics always seem to get overlooked in the general discussion of what made the band so dynamic.

*Chapter 1: "Once in a while you get shown the light/In the strangest of places if you look at it right."

Chapter 2: "Gone are the days we stopped to decide/where we should go/we just ride"

Chapter 3: "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."

(you get the idea....good luck!)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 10, 2010 8:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

Now that you mention it...I am not a fiction fan, but other than the various "insider books" on the Boys, are you right? Are there NO accounts written by those that would further enhance the various myths we spoke of some weeks past? IE, dirty, grungy dope smoking good for nothing social parasite writes of his sponging off friends, relatives and the national forest while bumming rides to listen to his favorite band and munch burritos in the parking lot while contemplating how to break thru the fence given he's once again ticketless? [yes, in my sexist fashion I once again refuse to believe RLO, Rose or SIUp were capable of such things...now Dire, well it goes without saying--he sold out to Burger King for crying out loud]

Are you really this person, Cap-n? I think I can smell you from Phoenix when the wind is blowing in the right direction. Or else that's because it's a city wide "burn day"; one or the other.

JK; I would like to know--I assumed someone had done it.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Dec 14, 2010 7:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

"yes, in my sexist fashion I once again refuse to believe RLO, Rose or SIUp were capable of such things..."

BUT, Miss Divine is capable? Ouch, Fair William, has thouest forgottenest what a tempest in your teapot stir she once did?

TOOTMO

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 14, 2010 11:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

Channeling Yoda via Jane Austen today, TOOTMO?

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Dec 14, 2010 10:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

"Channeling Yoda..."

Heh heh heh. I saw that, too, after I posted it, and I was like "WTF"?
My youngest boy and I were messing around with light sabers on the trampoline last night and I guess I had a residual flashback.

Where you been lately? I hope all is well. Thought about you the other day when I passed some "HP" sauce in the "British" section of the grocer. They got you guys between the Mexican and the Chinese, right before the six-pound cans of fruit---go figure.

Jolly Boxin' Day, to ya.
TOOTMO

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 14, 2010 10:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

With a name like that, you really think I'd forget my original "sweetums"? It was just that she's been absent so consistently I figured I'd cut down on typing and stick to the newbies. Besides, if she gets upset, maybe I'll get a spanking out of it, eh?

There, that should stir adequately.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Dec 14, 2010 11:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

Why am I seeing Pink Flamingos everywhere ?

You want me to eat what ?

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Dec 10, 2010 8:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

"Drop City" By TC Boyle is a great book, and there have been others, but "Am I the Right Person" is well an excellent question and I was there as much as anyone else, though I never met the band, and honestly I am more interested in the scene than the music, i really have no interest in writing about the wonderful transitions in Scarlet>Fire - you folks here are far more expert than I - what I have is a fascination with words and several thousand hours of GD under my belt and I feeling that the story is inside ready to unfold. Honestly, Tell my idea revolves around the Summer Tour of 1982, the last great tour I believe and really on the edge of the whole scene becoming overrun with police and vendors and long-haired hucksters shoveling along for the thrill of the thrill. A singluar moment I saw where the vision met the reality and both burned brightly, merged for an instant before wonder and instinct were replaced by indulgence and necessity...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Dec 10, 2010 9:50pm
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Oh, I'd read something about the summer of '82! Good pick. Of course, it would need a plot. Or something like it. That generally helps. (Though not always; I've read some pretty good stuff with no apparent plot.)

This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2010-12-11 05:50:24

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Dec 10, 2010 10:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

AR , if a project was just begging you to take it on .... (and you know you could do it).

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Dec 11, 2010 12:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

Certainly not my own personal memoirs. They wouldn't be nearly colorful enough. I'm afraid I was never brave or cool enough (as I saw it then, anyway) to actually do a whole tour. Never bummed a ride or sold bagels or anything. Ah well. I did see a few really good shows in summer '82, though, and I've enjoyed the rest of the tour on the archives. Better late than never :-)

But I might win a prize for Most Colorful Location for Forum Post. Heading back to the States for Xmas and killing time right now between flights at a Starbucks in Bahrain. The announcements sound like "challah allah kallah." Lots of Arab headresses and Christmas trees (really). It's also about 3 a.m. my time ... hmmm, maybe one of those summer '82 shows would be a good energizer about now, so I don't fall asleep and miss Flight Number Two of Four ...



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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Dec 11, 2010 1:36pm
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wishing you safe travels... home for the holidays!

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Dec 10, 2010 10:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

We already have a bunch of them out here. Recent ones are called:

Cooking with the Dead
Growing Up Dead
Confessions of a Dead Head

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 11, 2010 4:59am
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This is what I thought; or my fav: "How I spent my teens explaining to my father why hearing the same songs by the same band seven times in the same week was different"

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Poster: snori Date: Dec 11, 2010 8:41am
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Only your teens ? Me and my old man just agreed to drop the subject way later.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 11, 2010 9:35am
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Ha--you mean you spent your teens AND your adult life in this futile exercise before agreeing it was getting you nowhere? Good one!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 13, 2010 10:45am
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FUCK NO. sorry. I'd have as much desire as listening to a DSO tape

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 13, 2010 10:56am
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Are you kind?

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 13, 2010 11:32am
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well depends what you mean. The thought of dirty hippies trying to sell me food they touched or trying to rip me off on certain items I'd never buy from them anyway then NO

I like to think I'm kind to people but apparently to certain people who are allowed to have opinions but I'm not allowed to call them on their bullshit ( like with facts or difference of opinion ) I am considerably arguementative and UNKIND - ( according to my sister, lame asses I work with and Facebook idiots )

so I guess the verdict is still out : )

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 13, 2010 11:43am
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Dear JOTS,

We are all works in progress. May your light shine a little brighter and may you suffer fools a bit better, as you would have fools suffer you. And lead us not into post-91 shows.

Yours in Jerry,
bluedevil

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 13, 2010 3:45pm
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you know that's some good spiritual advice. You should try and milk some tax free status out of that

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Dec 13, 2010 2:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Would Anyone Read a Novel Based on The Grateful Dead

But dammit , are you kind ? I'm just trying to get a f'ing answer .

http://www.archive.org/details/gd94-06-25.sbd.walker.16471.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: vapors Date: Dec 13, 2010 2:40pm
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http://www.archive.org/post/337826/is-everyone-drinking-the-kool-aid-yep-pretty-much-all-of-us-and-amp-you

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 13, 2010 2:42pm
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IF you ask am I kind as in nice, No, not really.

IF you ask am I kind as in part of humankind, then without a fucking doubt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNQX_5xOo1w

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 13, 2010 3:48pm
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yes you are nice! just not to dickheads and dumb asses

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Dec 13, 2010 9:00pm
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Isn't nice just social lubricant ?
I mean are you nice to your children or are you kind ?

That vid has amazing quality . I thought I scoured them all . Only 695 hits in 14 months for that one ? Look at all those songs from this show I haven't listened to before ! And young Femmes . Oh, BD .

I was going to put up the Country Death Song ( you know , tie in w/ the kids ) , but it wasn't working . Here is recent Gordon , which you have probably seen .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqSq65yh54g

Gordon and David Bryne would be a musical dream .

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 13, 2010 3:50pm
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not so much kind about post 91

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